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5262

1:49:17, Jun 13th 2014

Wykoff Resident says:
So let me get this straight, Wykoff gets a mayor who actually cares about the city and wants employees to do their job. I know this is a huge change from past mayors, but lets think about this, Lyman actually gets the sewer treatment plant started, Lyman finds a replacement city worker with a class b license, Lyman gets a parking lot for the community center, Lyman gets land set up for a memorial park for veterans, and the city council votes no confidence. Wykoff needs a new city council, not a new mayor.


5263

2:32:07, Jun 13th 2014

saddened says:
"A Vote of No Confidence is defined as a statement or vote which states that a person in a superior position - be it government, managerial, etc. - is no longer deemed fit to hold that position. This may be based on said person falling short in some respect, failing to carry out obligations, or making choices that other members feel are detrimental."

Sad day for Wykoff Residents, losing a Mayor that finally did something for the residents instead of for themselves. If the council cared that much, where were they the last 12 years?


5264

3:20:55, Jun 13th 2014

Wykoff Resident says:
"City Clerk Cheryl Davis had inquired to receive one additional hour of PTO time since she had worked an evening doing dog licensing. Mayor Hare was quick to point out that she was a salaried employee and would work when needed; something she had agreed upon". -Last week

"Larson then continued stating Hare had given directives to city employees without prior consent from the council"- this week

How dare he tell someone to do their job! That is not right in this day in age! They should be paid extra or given PTO for having to perform duties in their job description!

Would be willing to bet this was a factor in the vote!

.


5270

11:40:26, Jun 15th 2014

long time resident says:
A town this small and you have to act like your in Rochester City Council, look at past mayors and what they did for the city, a lot of it was NOT for a better community, I have lived in this small town all my life and have seen a lot of Mayors come and go along with a lot of council members, I think Mayor Hare was doing a great job and supported the community in a lot of different ways. You as council members need to remember that it is not an easy job and the clerk is an employee, she is to do her job and that's it. Tables and chairs being a nuisance, maybe golf carts on sidewalks are more of a obstacle then table and chairs that people can use and enjoy in our supposedly small friendly town. Mayor Hare wanted a friendly great looking town and this is how the council treated him, communication is the key, we all want a friendly small town that people want to visit or live in




5271

7:20:05, Jun 15th 2014

Wykoff citizen says:
After reading about the vote of no confidence inacted by council women Larson and passed by the rest of the council I would like to inact a vote of no confidence towards the council members in the way they poorly handled the communication with Mayor Hare. Mr. Hare was solely acting in the best interest for the city of Wykoff and its citizens.


5272

9:34:34, Jun 15th 2014

Rochester Resident says:
I am sad to hear what happened. The Wykoff Mayor did his job with so much confidence in himself and the so called City Council members and they say they didn't have confidence in the Mayor? Wow is all that comes to mind.
When you have a job to do you should do it and not complain that you had to do an hour over time or whatever the case may be, be glad you have a job. It is so sad that these So Called City Council Members did it this way and than have the gul to say we didn't want you to resign, well if you don't have confidence in him than I'm pretty sure his confidence level for you people has surely gone down. I also feel that the city members are scared that someone came in to do changes for the good and not just think of himself.....

Wykoff needs new city council members and keep the Mayor they have/had.....

Grow up and do your jobs and work together not against each other.



5275

11:14:28, Jun 16th 2014

Wykoff voter says:
It is things like this that causes small towns like ours to disappear off the map. This council and clerk is the reason that this city will never get any better. They don't want to have to do anything! That is why they had to get rid of the mayor, apparently nobody told Mr. Hare that he shouldn't be doing anything unless it only benefits himself or the council/clerk.


5276

11:30:24, Jun 16th 2014

Time for a new council member says:
"Larson then continued stating Hare had given directives to city employees without prior consent from the council"

If she spent half the time doing her job that she spent trying to figure out how to get out of work, she could have everything done in two days-become part time and save the city boat loads of money.

Larson, Comstock, Vreeman, Grabau, all need to be replaced! Enough already with your little power trips.

Why does the council never ask the people of Wykoff what they want, not one of you has ever knocked on my door or sent a letter saying "what do you think about this, or what do you think we could to do to improve the city?"









5277

11:33:58, Jun 16th 2014

Disgusted says:
"Councilwoman Larson was assigned to community education and pest/weed control complaints"

How much community education have you brought to Wykoff? Show examples please!

Time for a no confidence vote!


5278

1:47:28, Jun 16th 2014

New City Council members says:
Who votes for New City Council Members because we the people have no confidence in them?
This should have never happened to the Mayor. Is it so wrong to make Wykoff a better town? To do things for the families in Wykoff? I find it very strange that Larson is in charge of Community Education, has she done anything in that department? Just a shame that they did this to Mayor Hare he is a good man.


5279

9:11:01, Jun 17th 2014

Rural Wykoff says:
After reading the article "Wykoff Councll shocks mayor", I was so very pleased to see the comments that have been submitted supporting Lyman. It amazes me to think that Councilwoman Larson presents a vote of no confidence and then acts like she was not looking for a resignation. Unbelievable.


5280

9:12:16, Jun 17th 2014

Rural Wykoff says:
After reading the article "Wykoff Councll shocks mayor", I was so very pleased to see the comments that have been submitted supporting Lyman. It amazes me to think that Councilwoman Larson presents a vote of no confidence and then acts like she was not looking for a resignation. Unbelievable.


5281

9:41:46, Jun 17th 2014

Poor Wykoff says:
I just hope the council/clerk will be happy now that they will have a mayor they can tell what to do. Unfortunately for the community, it was a huge loss.I think Wykoff should hold a special election to vote a mayor in and not let the council/clerk just decide. The town should get to vote for mayor, not the council/clerk.


5282

12:46:11, Jun 17th 2014

ilovewykoff says:
I agree with so much of what everyone in town is saying but I also think we all need to take some responsibility. No one goes to council meetings and it is as much our job to go to them as it is for the council to ask us what we think when they are out and about in the community.

Larson and Comstock need to go. I am shocked no one has said anything about Comstock and he has been on the council through the previous mayors and this city clerk. Look how he popped off to the law enforcement agent at the meeting, telling him he wasn't invited there. The guy was just there to help and you don't have to be invited to city council meetings, anyone can go and they are open to the public. What a pompous jerk, he doesn't own the town. ! We don't need Fillmore County looking at us with a negative eye because of bad representation! Not only that but he read the estimate for the sirens wrong, according to Kevin Beck, and the council made a decision at the last meeting based on how he read it. How many other things has he 'misread' to get the vote he wants? Seriously.

Mayor Hare has made lots of improvements! He holds CLERK DAVIS, who is worthless, accountable and it is obvious she doesn't like it and whines to council. In other towns our size, like Fountain, the clerk works part time and gets the job done. She spends more time outside smoking than she does working. And she always is messing up stuff. Last meeting was reported with all the water bills she messed up, this meeting she wasn't getting interest paid, when does it stop? I think Lyman was on to her bologna and she is panicking.

There is a special meeting TOMORROW, June 18th at city hall and it begins at 7. Lyman is going to resign and they're going to accept Tim Grabau as mayor. Yep, the one who ran against Lyman and lost. The COMMUNITY voted for Mayor Hare and the council wanted Grabau. They were all out trying to talk people into voting for him. Looks like they found a way to get their way afterall! It's no coincidence! I am begging Wykoff residents to go that meeting and show support for Lyman and let the council feel the pressure! We can do something about it if we work together!


5283

12:49:13, Jun 17th 2014

Amen Rural Wykoff says:
Just blows my mind how she works (Larson). I think everyone should start showing up at city council meetings and see if Larson is true to her words. Just like it has been said before show proof of what she offers for Community Education? Obviously everyone is angry of how she did this to a man that just wanted the best for Wykoff but it seems to me the council members do not. Don't the people have any say in this?


5284

5:01:12, Jun 17th 2014

Yes! says:
The council can appoint anybody mayor, it does not have to be who ran against Lyman. They have the right to appoint anybody mayor as long as that person will accept the responsibility. It says it in black and white in the League of MN Cities. Go to the meeting and tell them that or tell them to have a special election. They have the option they just don't want people to know that.


5286

10:23:39, Jun 18th 2014

Parliamentarian says:
Quoting the Handbook for the MN League of Cities

"B. Vacancies in city offices
Minn. Stat. § 412.02, subd. 2a.
Statutory cities must hold a special election to fill a vacancy in the office of councilmember or mayor with a four-year term, if the vacancy occurs before the first day to file affidavits of candidacy for the next regular city election and more than two years remain in the unexpired term. If the vacancy occurs on or after the first day to file affidavits of candidacy or when less than two years remain in the unexpired term, there need not be a special election to fill the vacancy.
Minn. Stat. § 412.02, subd. 2a.
Special elections take place at the same time as a city general election, unless the council specifies in an ordinance under what circumstances it will hold special elections to fill vacancies other than at a special election held at the same time as the city general election."


5289

1:35:02, Jun 18th 2014

Get Real! says:
Nothing this council does should surprise anybody. Finally we had a mayor that actually did something. Mr Hare was the best thing to happen in Wykoff city government in a very long time. Expecting an employee to do their job in a professional and polite manner is not asking to much. Tables on sidewalks are a problem. Parking in front of your place of business is a problem. GET REAL! It is time to clean house and get rid of all them with the exception of Mitch Grabau. They act like "Little Kings". The time of the "good o'boys, it's their way or the highway" approach needs to end now!


5290

2:20:38, Jun 18th 2014

At Get Real says:
I agree, except that part about keeping Mitch Grabau. He voted yes too! Looks like he can't think for himself or stand up for what is right either, which is sad because I really thought he would be different. I was wrong!
He could have at any point said,

" this is Wykoff, we don't have 100 people on the sidewalk at any given time, just be glad someone is doing business in town. Even if Lyman said something he shouldn't have, it was a mistake, it isn't like we are full time politicians, everyone of us has probably did something that we shouldn't have. It isn't that he was trying to break the rules, but there are 5,000 rules and none of us know them all."

But he didn't say any of that, he sat and voted yes so the clerk and the rest of the council would "like" him. So 4 people will now pretend to like him and 400 people have lost their respect for him along with all the others who probably didn't have much to begin with.


5291

2:22:02, Jun 18th 2014

Not from Wykoff says:
If an entire council supported a Vote of No Confidence, then there must have been a reason. I think we need to hear the other side of the story. Not just from Hare supporters.


5292

2:30:58, Jun 18th 2014

"Not from Wykoff" says:
The other side of the story is for the most part the town has been corrupt for a long time, but nobody wants to run for council, so it mostly stays the same people, or people that the current council can tell what to do. That is why people are upset, because someone was finally improving the town but not improving the council/clerk egos and laziness.


5293

7:44:07, Jun 18th 2014

Wow... says:
What a surprise that they changed the meeting time from 7pm to 6:30pm. Scared and gutless council members is all that comes to mind.... Why was the meeting time changed?


5294

8:27:47, Jun 18th 2014

Not from Wykoff says:
Did they publish a change of meeting time notice in the newspaper for this? Legally, I think they are supposed to do that. I know our township requires that, and I think cities do too.


5296

7:32:20, Jun 19th 2014

Moved out says:
Why the secrets? Why can't everything be in the open? They need a new council in the town. Honest people that will help a town succeed. In my opinion I am proud of Mayor Hare for not tolerating the bullying. You have done a great deal for Wykoff!


5297

9:13:43, Jun 19th 2014

answer says:
No they did not (Not from Wykoff). I was told it was posted outside the door? I Hurd when these people got there that it was posted. So people thought 7pm and when they get to the door the meeting was almost done.
Somebody should go in there and clean out all city council members and just start over/ well probably after cleaning up the mess they have....


5298

11:02:01, Jun 19th 2014

madmom says:
This is just another politic punch in the gut. Where do people get off making a vote like that? How Un professional. If there was a problem with the mayor then they should talk to him first and try to resolve issues. To just vote like that shows ignorance and immaturity on their befalf. I'm so tired of the same people in Wyckoff and spring valley being on every single council and organization. They get a power trip on belittling people just to try to make themselves look good. News flash; the only people who are going to hurt are your children and other residents in the town. No one let's anyone else ever have a say if they are not on these darn councils. Letting people go that have served your communities well for many years because you want things your way now is selfish and disappointing. Do you school councils, city councils, booster clubs think really think that you are making a difference? Why do you think that people are moving out of town and changing schools? Your going to be the only ones left in these towns because of your selfishness. I'm ashamed of you all.


5299

12:49:54, Jun 19th 2014

wykoffresident says:
@madmom The reason the same people are on these city councils, school boards, county boards, etc. is because no one else ever steps up to run. If you paid attention to filings, you would know it is primarily the incumbents that file. SV and Wykoff's city councils elections have had only incumbents file. Last school board election, 3 positions were open, 2 people filed and 1 person was elected due to a write in. Until you or others are going to step up and take the time to fill these positions and make these decisions, you have no reason to judge others. There is always more to the story, some of which cannot be told. I personally will never take on a position like this and will never judge the decisions of the ones who do. People like you and others are what causes the majority of the drama that unravels from decisions others have to make.


5300

3:06:04, Jun 19th 2014

Politics says:
@WykoffResident ...

So let me make sure I understand you correctly. You believe that the constituents of elected officials shouldn't be able to hold their elected officials accountable, criticize their decisions, or express their viewpoints on an issue unless they [the constituents] have filed for a government seat. That's pretty much what you're saying.

That's the whole point of the democratic system. Government officials in a democracy 'represent' those in their jurisdictions and should be open to input on any decision.... that's the whole point of a democratic system. This isn't anarchy.


5301

3:15:17, Jun 19th 2014

two sides to every street says:
I lived in Wykoff, graduated high school there. Many things you need to know about a small town, There is really no 'democracy" because it is small. They all have their "cliques" and that is that. The mayor is simply an extension of the city council. He is a tie breaker in the voting process, he is the "5th" man. The council is like congress they have the authority to over ride the mayor. Many people here think the mayor has the total executive power, really they do not. Visit the League of Minnesota Cities website and search the duties of the mayor vs city council duties and see what the duties are of each.

In this case it could have been detrimental to either party, the council voted 4-0 on the one subject at hand, the fact that the Mayor on the one subject at hand out stepped his boundary, and had it not been voted on the city could have faced a strict penalty. So in this case it appears the vote was acted on to avoid such actions. As stated the Mayor openly stated the council lacked trust, well he broke their trust by avoiding the questions and denying the allegations. He could have openly stated that yes he stepped outside his jurisdiction/power. Instead he got defensive and tried to deny it. As Larson stated this was enacted to avoid a penalty, and not to garner his resignation. I think Mr Hare is an outstanding individual and he too, was in a position he probably clearly didn't understand all the governing rules the League of Minnesota cities dictates. I would rather see these things be put out in the open than swept under the rug. Who is/ would be more corrupt the council for following the rules, or the council for turning their heads and letting the city be fined for the actions done outside the mayors authorized duties. Do you think it was an easy decision for the council? This has been brewing for awhile it didn't just happen overnight.

As for the tables out front of a business, if they are not allowing the allotted space required for handicap persons accessibility then yes they are a nuiscance the letter stated they could stay as long as they were kept to one side, What so wrong with that? Being handicapped is not fun, and for those that don't have to deal with it, they don't really know the challenges.


5302

3:37:06, Jun 19th 2014

Let's be fair. says:
In all fairness to the council the correct time was posted in the post office. Last Saturday I made a point to check in the post office and verify the date, time and place. I even pointed this out to someone also checking the message board. The confusion may have come from the fact that there were two notices posted. The first meeting at 6:30 regarding the mayor and the second meeting at 7:00 regarding the new employee. Some of us saw this because there were people in the council room at 6:30.


5303

4:30:28, Jun 19th 2014

Not from Wykoff says:
So did the Wykoff City Council violate open meeting law by not posting the notice in advance in a newspaper? https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=13d


5304

4:40:26, Jun 19th 2014

@two sides to every street says says:
"In this case it could have been detrimental to either party, the council voted 4-0 on the one subject at hand, the fact that the Mayor on the one subject at hand out stepped his boundary, and had it not been voted on the city could have faced a strict penalty."

What penalty is that? I looked for it from the League website but could not find it. Could you elaborate.

"As Larson stated this was enacted to avoid a penalty"

So if this didn't happen a penalty would have taken place? What is the penalty for something that was never investigated, for someone that may have made a mistake? What did the city attorney say? It should be in the minutes that they asked him what he thought of the situation because if they just tried to interpret what the League of Mn Cities says that would be a nightmare. If you could post the statute or ordinance where people can see that penalty you are talking about everyone would appreciate it.

I didn't see anywhere in the article where the council said here is rule # blank, this is what you did to violate it. We consulted the city attorney and he agrees with us, that is why he is here tonight to give us some clarification so this does not happen again.

It didn't happen because that wasn't the reason for the vote, keep watching what happens and see who may get the other city job. And watch to see who they appoint to the council. And they will appoint someone because they know if they held a special election it wouldn't be who they want!

"This has been brewing for awhile it didn't just happen overnight" That may be the case and we will all find out from the past meeting minutes where they told him "this is what you are doing wrong" If it has been "brewing" as you say then the meeting minutes will have it all listed of course because otherwise if it has been "brewing" it would more than likely violate the open meeting law. The open meeting law is not just that no more than two council members can meet, it also states that they can't meet one on one habitually to try to come to agreements.





5306

11:20:45, Jun 20th 2014

Geez!! says:
Look at all of you that don't run for council bad mouth the counsil. Shame on you I think you all should be looking in a mirror! Maybe we should know the facts before we speak and bad mouth people. These people are our friends and family in this community that took and ran for a position that non of you wanted. Yet I see you calling them lazy! How many of you know these people on a personal basis that you have the right to say that! I appreciate all the praise for Mr. Lyman Hare whom I will not say anything about but do any of you realize that all the praise you are giving to solely him realize that he has no control in a sustained city that it is the council that does all this? So your praises are dearly misplaced. Shame on you and I do have a question how does Mr. Lyman Hare support our community and businesses I would like to know?


5308

8:32:04, Jun 21st 2014

@Geez says:
If you read the council minutes, you would see efforts are a combined to improve the city. It is not just the council or the mayor it's a group effort. Also you will see on many occasions these improvements and suggestions came from Mr. Hare and these improvements 'do for the community and the businesses'. I am not criticizing the council at all, I'm sure they have their reasons and they're good people. But I will say the members sitting on it have become stagnant at times probably because they've been doing it and holding responsibility too long. We need new and fresh sometimes and that's not an insult. Hopefully more people run for their seats and then the community will be able to decide instead of just settle for one name on the ballot.


5309

7:03:48, Jun 22nd 2014

GEEZ says:
Respectfully replies that I do realize that there were 5 members to our city government and all play a part with bringing ideas and making decisions and was actually the point I was trying to make after reading all the comments. I believe there is a reason that a vote of no confidence was called for and was in my opinion even substantiated by the Mayor with his comment that they had not told him to "his satisfaction" Which I personally take as that he had been talked to previously and had chosen to ignore. I feel the uninformed negative comments against our city council people and especially by out of town people are sad and more so uninformed with all sides to the story. Comments about council people being lazy are just rude. Just a view from what I see councilman Rocky Vreeman is out and about in our community almost everyday lending an ear to all those that have something to share and helping where he can. Councilman Mitch Grabau has been a part of this community all of his life all though we don't see him out and about much but his also a member of the planning and zoning committee and doing his part as a citizen. The comment made that he voted so the rest of the council would like him is so niave I truly believe he is a quiet family man that goes to work and takes care of his family everyday and could care less whether me or any one else "likes" him. He is doing his part for his community and family. Council women Megan Larsen is a hard working mother of 3 giving some of her family time to the city of Wykoff and doing her part.. She stands up for what she believes in and is not afraid to stand up to protect her community where her children are being raised. Jeremy Comstock also referred to as "pompous jerk" is a member of your city council and and fire department he is the one that will come to save your family and belongings along with all the other fireman he is the man that is out watching the weather with all the other weather watchers to make sure you and your families have time to get to safety if needed. He. coached our local youths softball for many years. These are your councilman and women that give of their family time to do the best they can do for your community. I challenge you all to actually get to know the real people before such horrible remarks and or take an initiative and run for council this fall just remember when you do these same comments could be made about you. Its sad that the council had to do what they did to protect the community but obviously there was a reason and its up to you to go and read the meeting notes and or attend the meetings to find out.


5310

8:06:50, Jun 23rd 2014

@ geez says:
I am glad somebody decided to bring a little comedy to these comments, it was getting way to serious, that post will make me laugh the rest of the week!


5311

8:35:17, Jun 23rd 2014

geez says:
"The comment made that he voted so the rest of the council would like him is so niave I truly believe he is a quiet family man that goes to work and takes care of his family everyday and could care less whether me or any one else "likes" him"

Council Member perhaps


5312

9:25:33, Jun 23rd 2014

geez says:
I am not a council member sorry! Just someone that may have a different opinion than some.


5313

12:35:58, Jun 23rd 2014

says:
Men and women on the city council have to remember personal life and being a city council member is completely separate. We as citizens might not like what you do as a council member or mayor but we might be your a friend in your personal life. Never bring to a home or friendship what happens at work or council meeting. Leave it there !! Let's all just move on and keep Wykoff a friendly small town. Communicate with everybody and be the best town around !!


5323

3:03:43, Jul 3rd 2014

@ Geez says:
"Look at all of you that don't run for council bad mouth the counsil. Shame on you I think you all should be looking in a mirror! Maybe we should know the facts before we speak and bad mouth people. These people are our friends and family in this community that took and ran for a position that non of you wanted. Yet I see you calling them lazy! How many of you know these people on a personal basis that you have the right to say that! I appreciate all the praise for Mr. Lyman Hare whom I will not say anything about but do any of you realize that all the praise you are giving to solely him realize that he has no control in a sustained city that it is the council that does all this? So your praises are dearly misplaced. Shame on you and I do have a question how does Mr. Lyman Hare support our community and businesses I would like to know?"


Could you tell me what a sustained city is? I think you mean statutory city. This is the reason things like this happen, because you tried to read through the league of mn cities as fast as you could and misread things, a lot like the council!